And So It Begins – Seen Today On Drop The “T” Petition


This petition popped up last night on Drop the “T

We are a group of gay/bisexual men and women who have come to the conclusion that the transgender community needs to be disassociated from the larger LGB community; in essence, we ask that organizations such as the Human Rights Campaign, GLAAD, Lambda Legal and media outlets such as The Advocate, Out, Huff Post Gay Voices, etc., stop representing the transgender community as we feel their ideology is not only completely different from that promoted by the LGB community (LGB is about sexual orientation, trans is about gender identity), but is ultimately regressive and actually hostile to the goals of women and gay men.

There are several areas in which the ideology of the trans community is at odds with or actively hostile to that of women and gay men; among the most important are:

• The vilification and harassment of women and gay/lesbian individuals who openly express disagreement with the trans ideology; a simple disagreement over an issue can result in responses that range from insults (“transphobic bigot”) to threats of physical harm (often, in the case of women, rape) and even death; the harassment by the transgender community of prominent individuals ranging from iconic gay rights activist/drag queen RuPaul and legendary feminist Germaine Greer has been particularly loathsome.

• The infringement of the rights of individuals, particularly women, to perform normal everyday activities in traditional safe spaces based on sex; this is most pernicious in the case of men claiming to be transgender demanding access to bathrooms, locker rooms, women’s shelters and other such spaces reserved for women.

• The appropriation and re-writing of gay and lesbian history and culture, most notably attempting to re-cast the majority gay white men who participated in the Stonewall riots as transgender, specifically casting as “transgender” men who adopted feminine attire but still identified as men (they called themselves transvestites, which is not the same as the modern transgender identity); particularly frustrating was the fact that media outlets such as The Advocate, Out and Huff Post Gay Voices, who should have been the first to point out the fallacy of this notion, actually went along with the lie.

• Most troubling, the transgender promotion of the physical, emotional and sexual abuse of children by persuading parents and health professionals to diagnose children as young as four as transgender, despite considerable research that shows that more than 90% of children who express “gender dysphoria” at a young age grow out of it by adolescence and, in most cases, grow up to be well-adjusted gay men and women; ideologically, it runs counter to traditional LGB and feminist philosophy – whereas feminists and gay men/women advocate for expanding and re-defining gender concepts, the trans movement is regressive, insisting upon re-asserting and codifying classic gender concepts of what is masculine and what is feminine.

Please note that we are not advocating intolerance or prejudice against the transgender community: we recognize and respect the right of adults to determine their own path in life, including transitioning to the opposite gender if they so wish. However, that cannot occur by infringing upon the rights of women, gay men and children.

At the very least, a discussion must be opened up to these issues, which for too long are being suppressed and censored – they are genuine concerns that need to be aired. In the end, we feel that the transgender ideology is not compatible with the rights of women, gay men and children and ask that the organizations and media outlets mentioned above disassociate themselves from the transgender movement and return to representing their base support of gay men and lesbians.

Before the loss in Houston with HERO there have been many years of frustration and animosity between both the LGB and T Community. But atill they remain connected despite the differences in their fight.  And this is not the first time this has been suggested by both sides including trans-activist.  And while many will call this throwing the “Transgender community under the bus.” once again.  Is it really?  

Please leave your HONEST opinions in the comment section below. 

4 thoughts on “And So It Begins – Seen Today On Drop The “T” Petition

  1. In some ways I, as a transgender person, have felt similar ideas about the need for the T movement to dis-associate from the LGB because the LGB components seem to get a disproportionate amount of the attention (Media & otherwise). Now that the world-wide media is paying more attention than ever before to TG stories, the balance seems to be swinging more to an equitable position, some sectors of the overall LGBTIQ community are a bit miffed.

    I wish to make comment on a few things. In paragraph six the writer just went and threw all credibility out the window. Please cite your references for forming that opinion.

    I knew from a young age that I was different to all the boys that I knew. This was the age when I learned there was a difference between being a boy and being a girl. That central belief that I was not a boy, but a girl has stayed with me all life. Yes, there were times that that belief was challenged by the mores of society and yes, I complied with society’s social expectation of how I should live for five decades. In all that while my core belief about who I was never lessened, went away or changed. It wasn’t until I started transition that I realised just how much energy I put into maintaining that male facade every day. Now that I do not need to live a lie, I am just so much happier about all things.

    I have met many people along my journey, especially over the last 10-15 years or so, who are travelling down that same road. Some are just starting their journey, some well along, but all have that unshakable belief that they were different from what society expected them to be. They too, have learned just how much energy was spent in living the lie of being who they are not. Yes, some have had difficulty in deciding when to transition. Not because of their indecision about who they are, but because of the stressors exerted by the family/community they live in. To a cis-gendered person this would appear as though they were ‘changing’ their mind. Not so. The amount of medical evidence is mounting and getting closer to the point of determining a physical cause for our dysphoria thus removing it completely from the DSM’s view of being associated with “other” paraphilias. This is a worry for the cis-gendered conservatives in our community because all things that are different to their blinkered view should be cast as weird and hence a mental illness. In having a mental illness the individual doesn’t know what they are saying. Society can now ostracise and segregate this ‘abnormal’ behaviour and get on with ‘normal’ life.

    I am so pleased to see more and more stories of parents who are believing their children who identify as trans. The best course of action is to start treatment before puberty as the end results are just so much better for the transitioning individual and their family. To deny what the child is saying is a greater form of social abuse. An example: a cis-gendered boy that ‘experiments’ with things female, and subsequently discards such behaviours as he grows is not changing his mind. His curiosity about the world around him has been satiated and he moves on with life. Parents who choose not to listen to their children, discounting their feelings and forcing them to comply with societal norms are a greater abuser than the one who loving learns about what their child is saying and educates themselves into what is happening within their family.
    It is not the TG community that is forcing the media to report on such things. This is just a product of how society’s attitudes are changing over time and the media are reporting it. Yes, the media in reporting it, is contributing to society’s education while doing so. It is a circular happening.

    Society now, has much to make up in the form of reparation to the TG community. I do not mean the payment of money. I mean in believing us when we say what we say when we are children. Adults for far too long have decided that children cannot know their own mind and express themselves competently. The TG community still has to put up with the ‘gate keeper’ mentality that a child cannot make such determinations until they are 18 year of age.

    The issue identified in paragraph four of trans people infringing the rights of cisgendered people to a safe place such as bathrooms etc. The writer here has just completely invalidated his understanding of what it is to be transgendered by saying “this is most pernicious in the case of men claiming to be transgender demanding access to bathrooms, locker rooms, women’s shelters and other such spaces reserved for women”. Yes, cisgendered men using a disguise for nefarious purposes. You just don’t get it do you, Mr. Writer. A MtF person entering a bathroom with other women would do nothing to upset the feeling of ‘correctness” by being there. It would be an affirmation of being ‘normal’. I guess the converse is true for the FtM population.

    I cannot make comment about the issues in paragraph five as I wasn’t there and do not know much about that historical event.

    Lastly. “At the very least, a discussion must be opened up to these issues, which for too long are being suppressed and censored – they are genuine concerns that need to be aired”. Air them we may, but not much progress will be made when lack of understanding such as that indicated above by the writer does not change through education about another community’s travails.
    History is full of disparate groups joining together to ‘fight’ a common enemy. The LGBTIQ alliance came about in just this way. Maybe now the time has arrived for the TG community to dis-associate but not for those illuminated above.

  2. We were excluded from the early Pride movement due to being bad for the image that was wanted.We were dropped from ENDA in an unsuccessful attempt to get it passed. Charlotte, NC dropped us from a rights bill in a vain attempt to get it passed.Now, because of an election in which a paltry 25% turned out to vote, we get blamed and are threatened to be dropped again. Where is the outrage over the progressives who sat this election out.? That was not our fault.
    Where was the rush to drop us when you were fighting for marriage equality? We were welcome then. Some in the trans world said that once marriage equality passed we would be dropped. Looks like they may have been right.
    If you think the fight for equality is over you are sadly mistaken. In my state the only right guaranteed LGBTQI is the right to marry. And it is perfectly legal to fire them when they do.
    And to quote from a study that has been discredited shows how misinformed you are. There is sketchy information at best and new studies are being done as we speak. The Danish group whose figures you use just assumed that children who quit coming to their clinic had suddenly become non-trans. no follow up to see why they left. Just an assumption. Current data shows that ” adolescents who present with gender variance, or a transgender identity go on to be transgender older adolescents and adults 100% of the time. Again, the data is small, but supports the notion that gender constancy is certainly in place in adolescence.”
    Get the facts. Do some research of peer reviewed papers. Do not rely on outdated information. And please, encourage liberals to get out and vote. Lack of participation cost us the Senate in 2014 and lack of participation in 2016 will lead our nation into fascism. I guess that will be the T’s fault also.

  3. As a gay man I can say the l and the g did not have an understanding of each other for a long time. I am ashamed that someone I might call a sister or brother is passionate about excluding someone who is fighting the same fight we have. This has been and still is a fight to exist, to possess the right to be simply who you are. I apologize to the transgender community and really want them to know that these
    Idiots DO NOT represent the majority of a loving and inclusive community we will create. Together. There is no other way.

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