Dave Fleischer Releases Massive 513 Page "The Prop 8 Report" On What Went Wrong With Prop 8 In California – Does It Matter That He Has Ties To Lori Jean and the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Community Center?
Dave Fleischer and the LGBT Mentoring Project has released a whopping 511-page report on Proposition 8 with he goal of the report to learn abou what went wrong and what to do to win future ballot measures on same-sex marriage.
Fleischer writes in the L.A. Times:
The lesson: It’s not enough to make the case for same-sex marriage. It’s also important to arm voters — particularly parents — against an inevitable propaganda attack. And it’s crucial to rebut lies so parents don’t panic.Another misconception was that those who voted for Proposition 8 were motivated by hate. This does not describe most of the 687,000 who changed their minds in the closing weeks. After all, they supported same-sex marriage before the opposition peeled them away. Yes, they turned out to be susceptible to an appeal based on anti-gay prejudice. But they were frightened by misinformation. No on 8’s one TV ad that directly responded to the fear-mongering helped assuage some of the fear, but it was too little, too late.One final false assumption by same-sex marriage supporters was that the election was so close that it will be easy to pass same-sex marriage the next time out.It’s true that the official election results — 52% to 48% — appeared quite close. But the truth is more complicated. The data we analyzed show that the No on 8 campaign benefitted from voter confusion.Polling suggests that half a million people who opposed same-sex marriage mistakenly voted against the proposition. They were confused by the idea that a “no” vote was actually a vote for gay marriage. This “wrong-way voting” affected both sides, but overwhelmingly it helped the “no” side. Our analysis suggests that the division among California voters on same-sex marriage at the time of Proposition 8 was actually 54% to 46% — not so close. We are actually 1 million votes away from being able to reverse Proposition 8.
Now after watching Dave Fleischer’s video introduction I actually find some of the way he presents various points as such as the “we went into it not winning the African American vote so should not be surprised that in the end we didn’t get it” section kind of flippant and actually most of his other points other than hard number data and graphs, things that we already knew.
But it’s his priase points at the end of “Equality California” and “No on 8” that really gets me……….
Watch Dave Flieshers Video, and learn about Flieshers Connection to The Lorri Jean and the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Community Center and MORE after the jump below.
Praising Equality California and “No on 8” for raising so much money and getting so many volunteers while still managing to lose is very circumspect. In full disclosure Fleischer.for many years was Director of Organizing and Training for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and prior to the release of his report is advising the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Center’s Vote for Equality canvass project. If you remember Lorri Jean is the Executive Director of L.A. Gay and Lesbian Center (who also served as executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force) who along with Geoff Kors were the leaders of “No On 8” who screwed up so badly. And for some bizarre reason are still leaders and involved with the movement.
Data is nice. Data which is gathered and estrapilated from sources close to the original problems. I donm;t know about. And I am not saying that it is skewed. But I am saying that data can be read in different ways by differnt people. and with it being presented by someone so close to someone who was so involved with the mishandeling is it possible that there might be some delection from other reasons?
Thats for us all to read and figure out.
Please by all means go read the report. It’s all here — readable as sections here.
But many things we do know went wrong without the 525 page report telling us and have since right after our defeat so much of the report is not that much of new information.
* No on 8 Leaders were ineffective.
* There was very little outreach to other LGBT and LGBT friendly groups.
* There was very little outreach to the African American Communites (Even if we would have lost it as a whole anyway a vote is a vote.)
* And the P.R, and Media Campaign was a disaster. And when our opponenets fought nasty with commercials using children we did nothing.
Prasing money raised and volunteers gathered does not make the loss any better or the reasons for the loss any less disturbing in the end.